Notes On מסכת גיטין​​​​​​​

:הרב לביתן

(.משנה (ב

1) A שליח of the husband who brings a גט from overseas must say that he saw the גט as it was written and signed in front of him.

2) The תנא קמא holds that, that's only if it came from a faraway country, but if it crossed the border from a close by city and certainly if the city was surrounded by ארץ ישראל on three sides then he does not have to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

3) רב גמליאל agrees with the תנא קמא by a city that surrounded by three sides but he argues by a city that is on the border only on one side that he must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

4)רב אליעזר argues even by a city surrounded on three sides and holds you must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

5) The חכמים add that not only if the שליח comes from חוץ לארץ but even if he goes from ארץ ישראל to חוץ לארץ he must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

6) Two countries out of ארץ ישראל he must say ת''ק) בפנו''נ).

7) רב שמעון גמליאל holds not only 2 countries but 2 parts of a city ruled by 2 different governments he must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

8) ר' יהודה outlines the boundaries of ארץ ישראל that from רקם and eastward and רקם included is חוץ לארץ and from אשקלון southward and אשקלון is included and עכו northward and including עכו is חוץ לארץ.

9) ר' מאיר argues and holds that עכו regarding גיטין is included in ארץ ישראל.

10) A גט written and delivered in ארץ ישראל the שליח does not have to say, בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם but if the husband comes and claims that the גט is invalid, we must check if he checked the signatures then the גט is כשר.

(NOTE 1) (pr)

(.תוס' ד''ה "המביא גט" (ב

Q.1) The term גט is used by חז"ל to refer to any שטר so why does our משנה assume that it is obvious that our משנה is discussing a גט אשה.

A.2) Most places that גט is mentioned refers to a גט אשה.

S.3) The מנהג to make a גט with 12 lines is since ג equals 3 and ט equals 9 the total is 12. (ר"ת)

S.4) Another explanation given by the גאונים is because the תורה calls a גט a ספר כריתות and a תורה has an extra 4 lines and has 4 spaces between each ספר so add up the spaces that separate the ספרים excluding דברים since its just a repetition so you get 12 lines.

(Note 2) (pr)

(.תוס' כוין (ג

1) 'תוס explains that אשה isn't שכיח to bring the גט.

2) חס"ם asks why the silence, רבא says the same thing?

3) 'תוס explains that רבה is based on the פ"ב) משנה)

that says- 2 people who say בפני נחתב is כשר,

why doesn't the משנה say ידעינן; must be ידעינן doesn't work.

Asks the חס"ם, the reason it doesn't say ידעינן is because if a אשה

brings the גט, she must say בפני נחתם and ידעינן doesn't work.

A) The answer is that the אשה bringing a גט is לא שכיח (not common) so רבא doesn't have to answer that an אשה is לא שכיח because רבה is based on that premise (assumption) that אשה is bringing the לא שכיח) גט).

(Note 3)

(.ר' אלעזר (ג

Q. 1) The גמרא continues that our משנה that requires the שליח to say both the כתיבה and the חתימה were לשמה (according to רבה) can't be ר' אלעזר since he holds that only the כתיבה has to be לשמה.

(וכתב refers to the entire writing of the גט).

S. 2) The גמרא says don't try to explain that the שיטה of ר' אלעזר is that מדרבנן the חתימה must also be לשמה, and that's why the שליח must also mention the חתימה. NO, since we see that ר' אלעזר holds that even if there is no חתימה at all, the גט is כשר even מדרבנן.

S. 3) The place that we see that ר' אלעזר holds is from a משנה in the last פו.) פרק)

S. 4) The תנא קמא says there are 3 examples of a גט that is כשר מדאורייתא but the חכמים said it's פסול, yet it won't make ממזרים if used.

Case #1 A גט that was hand written by the husband but wasn't signed by any witnesses.

Case #2 - If the גט wasn't dated.

Case #3 - There was 1 signature in conjunction with the hand writing of the סופר.

S. 5) ר' אלעזר argues on the תנא קמא, that even if there are no signatures at all the גט is still כשר even מדרבנן since the whole idea of signatures on a גט is a מנהג that the world realized it's value but it doesn't invalidate the גט at all.

(Note 4) (pr)

(:תוס' ד''ה שלשה (ג

S. 1) There are 2 opinions in the פו.) גמרא) if the משנה of ג' גיטין פסולין is according to ר' מאיר or ר' אלעזר.

Q. 2) If it's ר' מאיר how can these 3 still be כשר. If ר' מאיר holds any change in the מטבע שטבעו חכמים (changed in what the חכמים said), the גט is פסול, and the children are ממזרים.

A. 3) רבינו תם explains that the חכמים built into these 3 פסולים that even if you don't do it, it won't create ממזרים.

Q. 4) If its ר' מאיר, then the וכתב of the תורה refers to the חתימה, so how can he hold that a גט with no signatures is כשר בדיעבד?

A. 5) The husbands handwriting is the greatest form of חתימה (equal to 100 עדים, he admitted).

S. 6) The last of the 3 cases is if you have עד אחד there is a מחלוקת in the פו:) גמרא) if the עד אחד is joined by the handwriting of the husband or just the סופר's handwriting.

Q. 7) According to the פשט that the עד אחד joins the handwriting of the סופר, how can we rely on his handwriting to testify that the גט is כשר maybe he wrote it to practice?

A. 8) 'תוס answers that most סופרים are careful when disposing גיטין which aren't כשר in order not to cause problems, even so, we can't rely on the handwriting of the סופר one hundred percent since it does happen occasionally, therefore the רבנן invalidated a גט signed by the handwriting of the סופר.

(Note 5) (Pr)

(:תוס' ד''ה "כתב" (ג

S. 1) 'תוס explains the reason why the handwriting of the husband is פסול מדרבנן is since the date can't be relied on and it's as if there is no זמן on the גט.

I. 2) There are two מן דאמרים in the גמרא on (.יז) why the חכמים required a זמן on the גט.

#1) Since he might try to cover up for his niece who was זונה.

#2) In order to establish a cutoff date for the husband's rights to the fruits of her field.

S. 3) According to reason #1 it applies to a handwritten גט as well since we are afraid that the husband will write the זמן to cover up for his niece.

Q. 4) But according to reason #2 (cutoff date) when the husband writes a date on the גט that is the cutoff date, so why is it פסול? (he won't write an earlier date since he will lose his rights too early and a later date won't be accepted by his wife, even if he forces her to accept it, she can run to בית דין and have them write up a שטר that she is now the owner.)

C. 5) And don't tell me that we are concerned that the husband wrote an early date and he made up with his ex-wife to split the profits of tricking the buyers who according to the date paid the wrong person and must now pay her for this, we don't need to invalidate the גט we can just make the date unreliable to collect from the buyers?

A.#1 6) True the date isn't reliable but this can cause the wife to lose too, since now the husband can sell the fruits from the time of the גט and the wife can't prove that it already belonged to her since the date isn't reliable therefore we don't allow such a גט to be written and even if it is written it won't give the wife the rights to the fruit.

A.#2 7) Even if the זמן isn't reliable and they can't rip off the buyers but it's still a ספק maybe the זמן is correct, therefore if she grabs the fruits away from the buyers, now we can't take it away from her, therefore we made the גט invalid and she may not use it to collect any fruits.

(Note 6)(pr)

תוס' ד"ה "יש" ג' גיטין פסולין (#1) (ג:)

I. 1) There are 2 ways to explain the last case of the משנה, that an עד אחד is פסול. One מאן דאמר explains that it's talking about עד אחד PLUS the husbands handwriting, Another מאן דאמר says it's PLUS the סופר's handwriting.

Q. 2) According to the מאן דאמר that it's the husbands, didn't we already know this from the 1st case in the משנה, so why do we need the 1st case at all.

A. 3) We need the 1st case that even when you don't have a עד אחד still the child won't be a ממזר.

Q. 4) So why can't we just write the 1st case?

A. 5) Since you might think that when you have an עד אחד together with the handwriting, the גט is כשר לחתחילה, say's the משנה, it's פסול לחתחילה. (The צד that it's כשר is that the עד אחד verifies the זמן and therefore the כתב יד is like 100 עדים).

(Note 7) (pr)

(תוס' ד"ה "יש" (#2

S. 1) The משנה sets up the last case of עד אחד in a גט that has a date.

S. 2) 'תוס tells us that the הלכה applies even in a case where there is no date.

Q. 3) So why does the משנה say there was a date?

A. 4) To tell us that even though there was a date the גט is פסול לכתחילה.

(Note 8) (pr)

(:תוס ד''ה וגובה (ג

I. 1) ר' אלעזר holds that a גט which has no עידי חתימה (signatures) is כשר, and it can be used to kick out לקוחות (buyers)

S. 2) רש"י has 2 ways of explaining what type of גט we are discussing;

#1) גט אשה regarding her rights from the כתובה (to collect what he promised in the כתובה from the husbands properties that were sold later).

#2) Even גיטי ממון (promissory notes) can be collected without signatures as long as there was עידי מסירה (who saw the transaction).

S. 3) רבינו תם holds like פשט number 2 in רש"י.

S. 4) רבינו תם proves this from the פו:) גמרא) later on that רב paskenes like ר' אלעזר by גיטין but not by ממון. The גמרא asks how can you split ר' אלעזר in half if he says clearly in our גמרא that you can collect from לקוחות even by ממון? So we see that the גמרא assumed our גמרא is discussing גט ממון too (like פשט number 2)?

Q. 5) The גמרא in פרק גט פשוט - קעו.) בבא בתרא) has a שאלה, if a promissory note was written in a well-known handwriting, can it be used to collect from לקוחות, even though there are no signatures. The גמרא attempts to prove that you can, from our גמרא, but it shlugs it up, since maybe in our גמרא you are collecting with the strength of the כתובה? So we see that our גמרא is only discussing a גט with a כתובה (like פשט number 1)?

A.#1- 6) The שם ב:) רשב"ם) has a different version of the shlug up, instead of כתובה it reads כתיבה meaning that when it was originally written it was with the intention of having 2 עדים present, therefore the עדים will take the loan seriously and make a קול (raise awareness) about the loan and the לקוחות can protect themselves from losing their purchase, but a handwritten I.O.U. without any further witnesses, won't create a קול and it's unfair to the לקוחות to allow the מלוה to take it away.

A.#2- 7) רבינו חננאל comes out that the 2 גמרות argue with each other and he paskens like the גמרא in בבא בתרא that only a גט that comes along with a כתובה can collect from לקוחות even without עידי חתימה and just עידי מסירה!

Q. 8) 'תוס asks on רבינו חננאל from the גמרא later on (.י''א) that wants a Persian שטר with עידי מסירה ישראלים to be able to collect from לקוחות, but רבינו חננאל doesn't pasken like this, so why is the גמרא assuming that the הלכה is so?

A. 9) The גמרא thought that the 2 Persians are taking their jobs seriously since there are 2 yidden watching them, so it's like a court document and you can use the שטר as if there are עידי חתימה.

S. 10) The י"א.) גמרא) ends off that the Persian שטר can't be used to collect from לקוחות since there is no real רש"י ,קול explains that only yidden signing creates a קול.

Q. 11) The גמרא on .י"א comes out that although the Persian שטר has עידי מסירה, nevertheless there is no קול and you cannot collect from לקוחות. According to רבינו תם that עידי מסירה is enough to make a קול, why does the גמרא say that there is no קול?

A. 12) The מהרש"א explains that רבינן תם holds that even though there is עידי מסירה since the שטר is written and signed in Persian they don't take the שטר seriously and don't create a קול based on the Persian שטר.

(Note 9) (pr)

(:תוס' ד''ה רב אלעזר (ג

I. 1) The גמרא proves that according to רב אלעזר there is no need for a תקנה of בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם since רב אלעזר holds that there is no need for חתימות at all.

Q. 2) 'תוס asks maybe רב אלעזר agrees you need some form of חתימות, he only argues that a handwriting of the husband or a סופר's handwriting + an עד אחד is enough?

A. 3) (#1) The way he argues is even if there are no עדים it's good not that it's considered like 2 עדים.

(#2) The reason רב אלעזר gives is that עדים on a שטר is just a תיקון עולם, he doesn't argue and say that this is considered just 2 עדים.

S. 4) רב אלעזר holds that even לכתחילה you don't need עידי חתימה, the proof is from a כ''א:) גמרא) that says according to רב אלעזר even if the paper can be erased it's OK since we anyway rely on the עידי מסירה.

Q. 5) 'תוס asks that the ל''ד:) גמרא) says that רבן גמליאל was מתקן to have עידי חתימה, according to רב אלעזר it's only a מנהג not a תקנה?

A. 6) The תקנה was to teach people to encourage the use of חתימות not that it's a חיוב לכתחילה.

(Note 10) (pr)

(:תוס' ד''ה וכי (ג

I. 1) The גמרא attempts to say that our משנה that requires a שליח to say both בפני נכתב ונחתם is רבי מאיר, and even though he holds that וכתב refers to the חתימה nevertheless the חכמים added on the כתיבה and both must be לשמה.

S. 2) 'תוס explains that the חכמים said if it's not לשמה then the גט is תוס' !פסול refers back to what he explained in the top 'דתנן) תוס) that unless the פסול is a real problem the חכמים wouldn't require a שליח to discuss it, so if we want our משנה to be רבי מאיר and בפני נכתב is to address the פסול מדרבנן, it must be a real פסול.

Q. 3) Now that 'תוס explained that a גט that was written שלא לשמה the חכמים made it תוס' ,פסול is bothered why is this any different then the חכמים requiring it to be written on a detached paper, there the משנה says clearly even if you write it in on מחובר it's still כשר so why here

is it פסול?

A. 4) Really any פסול in a גט even if it's only a תקנת חכמים, will invalidate the גט. The reason why the משנה says that even if you

wrote the גט on a מחובר לקרקע it's כשר is since we are going according to the שיטה who explained the משנה there (:כא) according to ר' אלעזר and the משנה is referring to the writing of the טופס (the side details) and therefore it's not part of the actual גט so even if you mess up,it won't פסיל the גט! Number 10

(ABP)

(.תוס' ד''ה וחתמו (ד

S. 1) ר' מאיר holds that a גט that was found in the garbage (שלא לשמה) is 100% - כשר מנהדרין .

P. 2) Proof #1 - 2 גמרות prove that we don't care if a שטר appears to be שקר (since it was written before the story happened) from this הלכה of ר' מאיר so we see ר' מאיר holds it's 100% כשר.

P. 3) Proof #2 - The כו:) גמרא) later, says that a סופר should leave the names blank for 2 reason's (1) fight (2) עיגונא neither apply by a גט found in a garbage, so we see there is no reason not to use this גט.

P. 4) Proof #3 - The גמרא later (שם) first tries to say that only according to ר' אלעזר must you leave it blank, it seems that according to ר' מאיר you don't have to leave it blank at all.

Q. 5) Why then does the גמרא tell us whole story, it should just tell us the פסק that you may sign and give it to her לכתחלה?

A. 6) If it would tell us that you should sign it, you might think you must use it (בעל תשחית) so we just told you if you do use it, it's כשר.

Q. 7) 'תוס explains that according to ר' מאיר even לכתחלה you may write the שלא לשמה ,גט, so why regarding a כתיבה on מחובר לקרקע (attached to the ground) does the כא:) משנה) say that it shouldn't be done לכתחילה and some explain (ר' לקיש) that the משנה is ר' מאיר?

A. 8) Regarding לשמה just because it was written in China, won't confuse the עדים who sign it since they know it must be signed לשמה, but regarding מחובר we are afraid that if it's written while it's attached we might forget to detach it before signing it. Number 11

(ABP)

תוס' ד''ה מודה (ד.)

I. 1) The גמרא says that although ר' אלעזר doesn't need a חתימה at all, if it's there, it must be לשמה, otherwise it's מזויף מתוכו (misleading).

Q. 2) What's wrong with a חתימה that's not לשמה, the עדות is כשר and can be relied on, who cares if it's not לשמה, it doesn't need to be לשמה?

S. 3) And don't answer that we are afraid that the חתימה will be signed before the שטר is written, and that isn't just שלא לשמה, rather it isn't considered עדות since if we are afraid of this, we should be afraid by all שטרות, not just by a גט?

A. 4) We are גוזר the חתימה must be לשמה in order to make sure that the כתיבה is לשמה (the מהר"ם explains that most חתימות that aren't לשמה are by a case where the סופר signed and wrote the

גט, so even if the כתיבה was לשמה, we were גוזר because רוב aren't לשמה).

S. 5) The מהר"ם seems to understand, that חתימה שלא לשמה refers to a case where the עדים don't know who they are signing for.

Q. 6) ר' עקיבא איגר is very bothered if they don't know anything, it's not ישלא לשמה it's not עדות!?

S/A #1 7) Therefore ר' עקיבא איגר explains that the יעדים must know who is getting divorced and it's still called שלא לשמה if they don't speak out the names of the couple.

S/A #2 8) Since not everybody agrees that the עדים must speak it out, ר' עקיבא איגר offers another case of ישלא לשמה, if the husband has 2 wives with the same name and he say's whoever comes out of the doorway 1st is divorced and the עדים signed before they knew who will be 1st, so even though it's a good עדות but it can't be considered לשמה.

A/S #3 9) בחדושי ר' נחום there is another example, if the עד wrote half of his name before he knew who was getting divorced and he then found out and finished his signature לשמה, so the עדות is dependent on the final חתימה, but לשמה is needed in the whole חתימה.

S/A #4 10) Another example (שם) is if the עדים thought

they are just affirming what already happened, but the

truth is that they are signing the גט, so the testimony

is true (she was once divorced)

but they aren't signing now to create a גט. Number 12

(ABP)

תוס' ד"ה מודה מפרשים

S. 1) 'תוס explained that מזויף מתוכו doesn't refer to the problem of having a misleading שטר rather it refers to a new problem that can come up by allowing the חתימה to be written שלא לשמה (since we might think that the כתיבה too can be written שלא לשמה).

Q. 2) This obviously isn't the simple way of reading the גמרא, the

ריטב"א say's that why ר' אשי argued.

A. 3) The רשב"א explains that it is considered מזויף since the חתימה accomplishes what the כתיבה is intended for (i.e to prove that she is divorced) so the חתימה can become part of the כתיבה, and although the חתימה doesn't need to be לשמה, but in this case if it's not לשמה it's misleading, since it should be לשמה as part of the כתיבה.

A. #2 4) שיטת הרי"ף - is that ר' אלעזר who holds that אף עידי מסירה כרתי also the עידי מסירה can be כרתי but if you want the עידי חתימה can be כרתי too.

C. 5) The רשב"א says according to the רי''ף we can explain מזויף easily, that if you use the עידי חתימה it must be לשמה and if its not we don't know that you are relying on the עידי מסירה, so its misleading since we think we can rely on the עידי חתימה.

Q. 6) The רשב"א doesn't agree to the רי''ף since וכתב must refer to the כתיבה or the חתימה or both but it can't sometimes refer to the כתיבה and sometimes the חתימה Number13

(ABP)

(.תוס' ד''ה "דקיימא לן" (ד

1) The גמרא paskens like ר' אלעזר that the main thing on a גט is the עדי מסירה (witness on the handing over of the document)

2) The גמרא seems to hold that the הלכה is ONLY like ר' אלעזר by גט, but not by other שטרות.

3) 'תוס says that AVADA the הלכה is like ר' אלעזר even by other שטרות, our גמרא mentions גט since that is what we are discussing here!

4) The גמרא on (:פו) lists 5 אמוראים who hold that the הלכה is like ר' אלעזר ONLY by גט so why is 'תוס so sure the the הלכה is not like those 5?

5) Since שמואל argues on רב) רב is one of the five) and the rule is we pasken like שמואל against רב by דיני ממונית (monetary issues)

6) The גמרא in ר"ח:) סנהדרין) brings a conversation between ר' יוסף and אביי regarding a שטר מתנתה (a certificate of a gift) that was signed by 2 brothers-in-law, ר' יוסף said just give it over in front of 2 עדי מסירה & its good according to אביי ,ר' אלעזר countered that even ר' אלעזר agrees that if the signatures are פסול the גט is misleading (מזוייף מתוכו) & its פסול, so we see that both ר' יוסף & אביי apply the דין of ר' אלעזר even by a קנין שטר not just by a ר יהודה & אביי).גט are from a later generation then the 5 and generally we פסקין the way the later generations are נוהג)

7) Later in our ר' אבא (י"א.)-פרק allowed a Persian שטר to be used to collect a loan as long as there were כשר עדי מסירה so we see that our גמרא holds like ר' אלעזר even by שאר שטרות (money matters) not just by a גט!

8) 'תוס continues and says לפיכך-therefore we must be careful when giving a גט to have the עדי מסירה witnessing the hand-off, otherwise the גט is invalid!

9) 'תוס holds (not like the רי"ף) that even though there are עדי חתימה its not enough, we need עדי מסירה too. The only thing that עדי חתימה accomplish is if the עדי מסירה die or skip town then we can rely on the עדי חתימה that it was done properly with עדי מסירה too.

10) 'תוס proves this from a גמרא later (:פ"ו) that 2 fellows with the same name sent a גט to their wives, who also have the same name, and now the two גיטין got mixed up in the hands of the שליח, the גמרא says he can give both גיטין to both wives (he takes it (גט) back from the 1st one).

The גמרא says that according to ר' אלעזר its not a good עצה since ר' אלעזר requires עדי מסירה, and at the time of the נתינה its not 100% clear what is happening (which גט is the right one for this אשה) so its not a good עדות, but according to ר' אלעזר its enough that the עדי חתימה are aware (by writing a 3rd generation). So we see that according to ר' אלעזר having עדי חתימה isn't enough you must have עדי מסירה too!

11) ר"ת holds that even according to ר"מ by גט you must have ע"מ too since אין דבר שבערוה פחות משנים! (the רמב"ם & most ראשונים argue on this point!)

12) 'תוס continues that even by שאר שטרות you should need ע"מ but in a case where you have הודאת בעל דין כמאה עדים (the owners admission is like 100 witnesses) then it takes the place of ע"מ. The reason why this doesn't apply by גט and קידושין is because its considered affecting others negatively. Number 14

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(.גמרא (ד

1) The תנא קמא says only if the גט comes from overseas does the שליח have to say בפני נכתב.

2) רבן גמליאל adds that even if it comes from רקם וחגר (that shares one border with ארץ ישראל) he must say it (But he agrees by מובלעות (surrounded on 3 sides by ארץ ישראל) that you don't say it.)

3) ר' אליעזר adds even מובלעות must say it .

4) The גמרא tries to explain that the רבן גמליאל & תנא קמא are arguing the same מחלוקת as רבה & רבא, the תנא קמא holds like לשמה), רבה) so only far away don't they know about לשמה but nearby they knew, רבן גמליאל holds like רבא so even though they knew about לשמה since you must cross a border its hard to verify the signatures therefore the שליח does it right away.

5) The גמרא says that we don't need to make the מחלוקת in our משנה dependent on רבה & רבא rather רבה can explain it his way & רבא his way. רבה says the תנא קמא holds the whole area around ארץ ישראל is רבן גמליאל ,בקיאין לשמה argues that only מובלעות but not סמוכות are רבא (בקיאין לשמה) גמירי says the תנא קמא holds the whole area is commonly traveled and רבן גמליאל holds only מובלעות but not סמוכות.

6) Everybody seems to agree that the reasoning for ר' אליעזר that requires בפני even by מובלעות is in order not to differentiate between מדינת הים.

7) 'תוס says that even in the beginning of the גמרא we knew that's what ר' אליעזר held. The מהר"ם ש"ק explained that it must be so, since the town of כפר לודים is named because of all the לוד people that hang out there so obviously if לשמה is known to לוד its also known to כפר לודים and its also obvious that its common to travel in between these 2 towns. Number 15

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(:גמרא (ד.-ד

I. 1) The תנא קמא of our משנה said that a גט that comes from מדינת הים must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם. The חכמים add that sending a גט to מדינת הים from ארץ ישראל, also must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

S. 2) the גמרא understands that the תנא קמא doesn't agree to the addition of the חכמים.

A.E. 3) The גמרא tries to say that the תנא קמא holds like לשמה) רבה) therefore a גט that goes from ארץ ישראל to מדינת הים doesn't require בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם to verify לשמה and the חכמים hold like מצויין לקיימו) רבא) <need to verify the signatures, and we need people to come and go often> therefore even a גט that comes from ארץ ישראל to מדינת הים has this issue and we need בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם to address it.

C. 4) No, רבה can explain the מחלוקת that the חכמים added from ארץ ישראל, since it can be confusing, so we required in any case בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, but the תנא קמא wasn't concerned about the confusion.

5) רבא explained that everybody agrees that from ארץ ישראל requires בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, but the חכמים were just explaining the שיטה of the תנא קמא, and there is no מחלוקת at all. Number 16

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(:גמרא (ד

S. 1) The משנה says that a גט that is brought between 2 countries of the world the שליח must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

2) The גמרא is מדיוק that if it's not between 2 countries, even though it's in חוץ לארץ he does not have to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

Q. 3) According to רבא, we understand why this is so, since it's one country, we can easily verify the signatures when needed. But according to רבה since it's חוץ לארץ they don't know about לשמה so even in one country he must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם?

A. 4) רבה explains that don't be מדייק "but in one country" rather but "two in ארץ ישראל" you don't need to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם (since in ארץ ישראל they know about לשמה).

Q. 5) The גמרא asks that we don't need a דיוק for this, it's black and white in the end of the משנה, that in ארץ ישראל you don't say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם?

A. 6)The גמרא answers that there is an extra חידוש from the end of the משנה, that not only is the כשר גט without בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, but it's totally not needed. Number 17

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(:תוס' ד"ה "תנן" (ד

Q. 1) Why doesn't the גמרא ask on רבה from the beginning of the משנה it says if you bring a גט from מדינת הים to ארץ ישראל you must say בפני, it's משמע if you don't bring it, if it stays in מדינת הים you don't say בפני, according to רבה any מדינת הים has the issue of לשמה so why don't you have to say it?

A. 2) Really any מדינת הים not just if you bring it to ארץ ישראל, but the reason why the משנה stressed the bringing was to exclude רקם וחגר that doesn't have to be brought, since it's right next to ארץ ישראל (and רקם וחגר know about לשמה). Number 18

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(:תוס' ד''ה "אלא" (ד

Q. 1) According to רבה, the משנה is excluding ארץ ישראל from having to say בפני, so why does the משנה mention 2 מדינת it's not נוגע, just say that מדינת הים must say (1 city or 2) and ארץ ישראל doesn't (1 or 2),(mentioning 2 countries is misleading)?

A#1. 2) The משנה wanted to stress that even 2 countries in ארץ ישראל there is no need to say בפני, even though רבא held there is a reason.

A#2. 3) (The מהרשא explains that 'תוס was bothered that the גמרא in the מסקנה that comes out that רבה agrees to רבא's concern too, so how can the משנה be saying not to be concerned by מדינה למדינה)? According to everybody מדינה למדינה in ארץ ישראל is not a concern, since the עולי רגלים go back & forth so in ארץ ישראל we can be מקיים the חתימות even מדינה למדינה. Number 19

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(:תוס' ד"ה "אי" (ד

S.1) רש"י explains that the גמרא is saying if we would only have the דיוק then we would think that in ארץ ישראל even though it's not פסול with out בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם but לכתחילה it's better to have it, comes along the סיפא in ארץ ישראל it's not needed at all. 'תוס says that רש"י couldn't explain it the opposite way (if it would just say סיפא & not the דיוק.) Since the סיפא says clearly אין צריך it's totally not needed!

Q. 2) 'תוס says the לשון of אי מההיא sounds like if it would only say that (סיפא) not this (דיוק)?

S. 3) The גמרא by us, wants to say that if it would only say the סיפא that in ארץ ישראל-אין צריך that can mean בדיעבד it's not, but avada לכתחילה it's a suggestion.

Q. 4) How can the גמרא in the second פרק say that without the משנה saying פסול, we can translate חוץ לארץ) צריך) to mean a suggestion, if צריך by חוץ לארץ is a suggestion, so אין צריך by ארץ ישראל means that we don't even suggest (and it's o.k. not to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם), so why does our גמרא feel that we need to write twice that ארץ ישראל doesn't need בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם even לכתחילה, we know this from just one אין צריך?

A. 5) After our גמרא comes out that אין צריך means totally not needed, now we can have a הוה אמינא in the second פרק that צריך means a suggestion, so that's why we need the second משנה to tell us that it's פסול.

S. 6) 'תוס argues with רש"י's assumption since אין צריך can mean that if it's done you don't have to redo it, but לכתכילה it's better to do it.

A. #2 7) 'תוס is מחדש that the בדיעבד of our גמרא isn't the normal בדיעבד of כשר and פסול, rather it's referring to the qualifications of the שליח (not the point of arrival rather the point of departure) {it's a stop sign} therefore when it says in our משנה of "צריך" it means even בדיעבד, you do not allow a שליח who didn't witness the כתיבה and חתימה to take the גט to ארץ ישראל (from מדינת הים) {stop}, but we still don't know if the שליח went anyway or if he didn't end up saying בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם will this פסול the גט, so so we need the second פרק to tell us that it's פסול! (but we still need a double דרשה to tell us that in ארץ ישראל, even though there is no בדיעבד {stop} maybe there is a לכתחילה {yield} קמ"ל in ארץ ישראל it's totally not a qualification.

C. 8) 'תוס refers back to the original reason why רש''י refrained from explaining the גמרא of אי מההיא to mean if it would just say the סיפא (black and white אין צריך) since if so, we can't make the mistake of saying that in ארץ ישראל although you don't have to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, but it's recommended, because the words אין צריך mean it's totally כשר and nothing is missing.

Now, says 'תוס we aren't bothered by this question anymore, since אין צריך isn't referring to the כשרות of the גט, rather to the qualifications of the שליח, and although in ארץ ישראל these qualifications aren't required (אין צריך) <won't stop> but we still might make the mistake and think that it's better to have these qualifications. Number 20

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(:גמרא (ד

S. 1) Some asked the question on רבא from the רישא that says 2 countries in חוץ לארץ must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, it's משמע that in ארץ ישראל even in between two countries you don't say, according to רבא, why not?

C. 2) The גמרא explains that in ארץ ישראל, even between two countries it's still easy to verify the signatures, since three times a year, the yidden go up to ירושלים.

S. 3) רש''י points out that even רבא agrees that anywhere in ארץ ישראל isn't a problem (because of עולי רגלים) so the first נפקא מינה

that the ב:) גמרא) gave between רבא and רבה (in 2 countries in ארץ ישראל) doesn't apply anymore! 'תוס (on the bottom of the עמוד) argues, since there are no בתי דינים, or if they are מקפיד, according to רבא you need בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, but according to רבה you don't. Number 21

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(:תוס' ד"ה "כיון" (ד

Q. 1) Our גמרא assumes that anywhere in ארץ ישראל, is border-less (because of עולי רגלים) but the גמרא in לח:) ב''ב) says regarding a מחאה שלא בפניו that from צפת) גליל) to ירושלים) יהודה) we can't assume he heard the מחאה since there is no communication between the two parts of ארץ ישראל why can't we rely on the עולי רגלים?

A. 5) It's different, by מחאה, he isn't looking out for people to give him the message, but by גט, she is looking for people from that town who can verify the חתימות!

Q. 6) 'תוס established that it's harder for a מחאה to reach it's destination, than for a verification to reach it's destination. 'תוס asks that we find the opposite regarding בני מחוזא (workoholics/hustlers) the ו.) גמרא) says regarding verifying even from one block to another it's difficult, but still regarding a מחאה it works.

A. 7) Regarding a גט it's not enough for the message to reach it's destination, you must find someone who recognizes the signatures, therefore the בני מחוזא who can't sit still, you can't track them down but regarding מחאה it's enough to pass on the message from one person to another. Number 22

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(:תוס' ד''ה "רבה" (ד

S. 1) The גמרא comes out that רבה agrees to רבא, so even in ארץ ישראל (no problem of לשמה) if there is a strict border, the שליח who crosses it must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם to verify the signatures.

Q. 2) In the above case, there is no problem of לשמה so why does the שליח mention the בפני נכתב) כתיבה), the only reason why the כתיבה is mentioned is to make sure that it was written לשמה (according to רבה)? And don't say that it is in order to differentiate between קיום of a גט (one שליח is enough), and קיום שטרות that needs two, רבה doesn't agree to this reason (since the three differences are enough to differentiate).

A. 3) True רבה wouldn't make the original תקנה of בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם just to avoid confusion (3 differences is enough), but after we were מתקן for לשמה, and now we have one exception that doesn't have the reason of לשמה, for this, איחלופי is enough of a reason not to make an exception. Number 23

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(:מפרשים גמרא" (ה"

S. 1) The משנה on .דף ט says if the שליח was unable to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, then it's o.k., but just to verify the signatures (thru 2 עדים/plan B יתקים בחותמו).

S. 2) The שם) גמרא) explains that it's talking about a שליח כשר, that right before he said was supposed to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, his system of hearing and speaking shut down.

Q. 3) According to רבה how does plan B (verifying the signatures) take care of the problem of לשמה, it just verifies that the signatures weren't forged?

A. 4) The משנה on .דף ט is refering to a later date in history that even in חוץ לארץ they were educated in לשמה.

Q. 5) The ראשונים ask, why can't the גמרא ask from the משנה that plan B is good without bringing the explanation of the גמרא that the reason why plan A wasn't possible was by a חרש?

A.#1 6) The רשב''א (second פשט) explains that without first explaining what the משנה is talking about we can't ask on רבה, since he can answer that obviously something is missing from the משנה.

A.#2 7) Another תרץ from the רשב''א is that without the explanation of the גמרא we can ask on רבא too, what's the חידוש that plan B is o.k. if the whole תקנה of plan A was only because we were afraid that plan B won't be available, so of course plan B is o.k.? But now that we know that it's talking about a good שליח who got messed up at the last second, so you might think that the חכמים didn't require any קיום at all.

A.#3 8) תוס' הראש and the מהרש"א answer that without the גמרא telling us that it's talking about about a חרש, we would say it's an אלם, who is כשר for עדות, and he can take care of לשמה thru writing it down ,(but not for קיום since it's an עדות and ולא מפי כתב מפיהם) but a חרש is פסול (no דעת) and it doesn't help to write it, so only now is it shver on רבה. Number 24

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(:חידוש מהרש''א על תוס' ד''ה "רבה" (ד

1) בפני נכתב - according to רבה it's for לשמה.

2) According to רבא it is in order not to get confused.

3) רבה says that you won't get confused since ידענו doesn't work.

4) רבא says ידענו does work.

5) רבה holds that we need to know לשמה so ידענו doesn't help.

6) מהרש''א - In ארץ ישראל there is no issue of לשמה, so ידענו should work.

If so, it's not confusing, and we need בפני נכתב. Number 25

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(.תוס' ד"ה "אילימא" (ה

Q. 1) The גמרא assumes that אינו יכול means a חרש (deaf-mute), 'תוס asks why didn't the גמרא attempt to say that it means an אלם or someone who didn't see the כתיבה? (and that would avoid the problem of how can a חרש be a שליח, since an אלם is

כשר for מהרש"א) (שליחות)

A. 2) The לשון of אינו יכול means a חרש since if it meant an אלם it should say לא אמר.

Q. 3) Why can't אינו יכול refer to an אלם (mute)?

A. 4) The מהר''מ explains that אינו יכול sounds like something happened now, but an אלם happened long ago, only a חרש must happen now.

Q. 5)Why can't we say that he just became an אלם?

A. 6) The תוס' הראש explains that if אלם is אינו יכול, why is that a חידוש more than any לא אמר only a חרש has a חידוש that we are not גוזר by a recent אטו ,חרש a חרש from the beginning so אינו יכול must mean a חרש. Number 26

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(.רבינו תם-תוס' ד''ה "אי" (ה

I. 1) The גמרא explains the משנה on .דף ט that it's enough to verify the signatures even according to רבה since it's talking about the time period of אחר שלמדו, the world was educated that לשמה is needed for גיטין.

C. 2) The גמרא then asks that if so, why only the חרש who CAN'T say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם is קיום enough,even if he could, why would he, if קיום does the job?

Q. 3) 'תוס asks why is this a question on רבה, just like רבא can explain the משנה that if you don't or can't use the קולא of בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם thru one שליח you must do it the old fashioned way thru 2 עדים verifying, אחר שלמדו according to רבה it's the same as רבא?

A.#1 4) רבינו תם explains that according to בפנו''נ ,רבא was never better than real קיום thru 2 עדים, it was always a קולא to allow קיום with 1 שליח, therefore the משנה is just telling us that if you can't use the קולא then you must do it the real way. But according to בפנו''נ ,רבה, was originally better than just קיום since it took care of לשמה, therefore plan A is better and should be required. The משנה says that it's not required, and the גמרא explains that this is only because it's אחר שלמדו, so plan A isn't any better than plan B anymore. Asks the גמרא, if so why does the משנה blame the reason why בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם isn't required is because he can't, even if he could, there is no reason why

בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם is better?

A.#2 5) The ר''י answers that the גמרא is asking on רבה, why does רבה argue on רבא by the 2 cases, where there is no issue of קיום (two messengers or one country in חוץ לארץ) that you still must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם because of לשמה if our משנה is talking about after they learned לשמה, there is no issue of לשמה anymore, so why does he argue? ('תוס proves that all the משניות of this פרק are talking about אחר שלמדו, since the גמרא asks from אשה (later in the פרק) and the גמרא doesn't try to answer that its not a גזירה since its קודם לשמה, so we see that all the משניות are (אחר שלמדו).

S. 6) The גמרא brings a שאלה that שמואל asked רב הונא, two messengers who bring a גט from חוץ לארץ must they say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם or not? רב הונא said that 2 are believed to say she was divorced so too they are believed to say the גט was given to them by the husband. The גמרא asks that according to רבה how do we know that the גט was לשמה? Answers the גמרא its talking about אחר שלמדו (after they learnt about לשמה). The גמרא asks if so, even 1 שליח?

C. 7) רבינו תם explains that the שאלה of שמואל was even though אחר שלמדו there is no מעלה of plan A over B, maybe, לא פלוג רבנן we don't differentiate and we must stick with plan A even if the reason doesn't apply anymore. The גמרא asks if so, the same שאילה would apply by 1 שליח?

C. 8) The ר''י explains that the גמרא is asking on רבה, why does he argue on רבא in a case where there is no concern of קיום later on (i.e. in 1 מדינה to חוץ לארץ). Even so, רבה says the שליח must take care of לשמה, but since it's אחר שלמדו there is no problem of לשמה, so even by 1 שליח, why should he say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם if there is no issue with קיום or לשמה?

A. 9) The גמרא explains that even though, אחר שלמדו there is no reason that בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם is needed to rule out שלא לשמה, nevertheless the רבנן were גוזר out of concern for the future that the לשמה problem might resurface, so they said that the שליח must still say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם.

Q. 10) If so, why did רב הונא say that 2 שלוחים don't say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, what happened to the גזרה?

A. 11) The גזרה is only by common scenarios, and 2 שלוחים bringing a גט is uncommon.

Q. 12) A woman bringing a גט is also uncommon, yet the משנה says she must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם?

A. 13) The חכמים don't differentiate between different types of שלוחים, it's a general גזרה on all שלוחים.

Q. 14) If so, why when the husband brings the גט he doesn't have to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם, why don't we say לא תחלוק no matter who brings it, they must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם?

A. 15) The תקנה wasn't to rule out לשמה, rather it was to prevent the husband from coming and making a fuss (לעז) therefore when he himself hands her the גט, we aren't concerned about him coming anymore ('ע"פ תוס). Number 27

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אי הכי יכול נמי כחד נמי

1) אחר שלמדו - ר"ת there should be no מעלה to plan A (the only צד is to say קודם שלמדו לאחר שלמדו - לא פלוג)

2) ר"י - avada the תקנה of בפני still applies, but in a case where רבא agrees that you don't need בפני (one מדינה in חו"ל) why does רבה argue if אחר שלמדו says there's no concern anymore.

3) רש''י - The גמרא is going back to pre - רבה אית ליה לרבא therefore if רבה only holds of לשמה, so אחר שלמדו there's no reason to say בפני.

4) 'תוס - The גמרא is asking why say בפני נכתב just say בפני נכתם, since according to נחתב ,רבה is for לשמה (not לאחלופי since ידענו doesn't work) אחר שלמדו there's no more לשמה. Number 28

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(:גמרא (ה.-ה

S. 1) The ברייתא says a שליח who doesn't say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם must be מקיים the חתימות, and if not it's פסול. Since the תקנה was to make it easier not more difficult.

Q. 2) According to רבא we understand (בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם is a קולא instead of the harder way of finding עדים), but according to רבה, it's a חומרא to rule out שלא לשמה, so if you don't then the גט should be פסול?

A. 3) It's אחר שלמדו.

Q. 4) גזירה שמא יחזור לקלקולו?

A. 5) She already remarried (so we don't mess her life up).

Q. 6) That isn't the reason given, it says it's a קולא and not a חומרא, not that she's already remarried?

A. 7) It means to say that the חומרא wasn't said to mess her up, only to help her in the future.

8) רש''י explains that the גמרא continues and explains that the reason the חומרא doesn't mess her up is because the תקנה was intended to prevent her from getting messed up by the husband coming and making a fuss, so we don't mess her up without the husband coming.

'תוס explains the גזירה that this is a new answer, that even if it's קודם שלמדו, since the concern is just לעז, we don't make our own לעז. Number 29

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(:גמרא (ה

S. 1) The גמרא brings that the same מחלוקת between רבה and רבא already existed between ר' יהושע בן לוי and ר' יוחנן. The גמרא proves that ר' יהושע בן לוי holds like לשמה) רבה),<and ר' יוחנן like קיום) רבא)>.

S. 2) There is a מחלוקת between ר' יוחנן and ר' חנינא if the שליח must say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם in front of 2 (עדים) or 3 (בית דין).

The גמרא proves that ר' יוחנן holds 2 (and ר' חנינא holds 3).

Attempt-#1 3) The גמרא tries to explain the מחלוקת , that ר' יוחנן holds like לשמה) רבה), therefore the שליח is trusted to tell us that it's a good גט,and we believe him even without a בית דין (two is just to be able to verify it when the husband comes to be רש"י) מערר). The ריטבא adds that it gives נאמנות to him because of מידק דייק.

C. 4) ר' חנינא holds like קיום) רבא), therefore it's an עידות (notarizing the שטר) and it must be in בית דין (three).

Q. 5) We said earlier that ר' יוחנן holds like רבא, not רבה, so how can we explain now according to רבה?

Q.#2 6) Even if ר' יוחנן holds like רבה, but he must also agree to רבא, since רבה agreed to רבא, so everyone holds you need three because of רבא?

A.#2 7) Really you need 3, but ר' יוחנן holds that the שליח can join the בית דין, and ר' חנינא argues.

Q. 8) Didn't we say that regarding a דרבנן, everyone agrees that the שליח can join the בית דין, so קיום שטרות is only a דרבנן, so how could ר' חנינא argues?

A. 9) Really the שליח can join, but ר' חנינא was worried that if a woman is the שליח, then she can't join the בית דין, and since it can be confusing, we always require 3 besides the שליח, but ר' יוחנן wasn't concerned since everyone knows a woman can't be part of בית דין. Number 30

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(:תוס' ד''ה "כיצד" (ה

S. 1) The גמרא proves from a ברייתא like ר' יוחנן that בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם is only said in front of 2 דיינים.

The דין of the ברייתא is if the שליח didn't say ר' מאיר ,בפנו''נ holds she isn't allowed to stay married and the ולד (the child) is a ממזר.

The חכמים argue that the ולד is not a ממזר.

The ברייתא ends off, what's the solution?

The שליח must take back the גט and give it again in front of 2 and say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם. So we see you only need 2 דיינים like ר' יוחנן.

E. 2) 'תוס explains that the solution refers back to ר' מאיר and the חכמים. But according to the חכמים there is no need for a solution for the ולד (it's כשר) and according to ר' מאיר the solution doesn't change the status of the ממזר) ולד), and neither can it fix the marriage. But both agree that for the future it allows her to get married, and the חכמים hold it even fixes the current marriage.

S. 3) 'תוס on 'עמוד א explains that if the גט is מקוים (verified by 2) then there is no need for the solution of our גמרא. It's not clear if 'תוס means that it was מקוים before she got married, or even after she remarried (and had a child). The ריטב"א say's clearly it helps retroactively and she may stay married and the ולד isn't a ממזר.

S. 4) Regarding "the solution" if it also works retroactively the ריטב"א brings that some hold that it does (even for a ממזר)

(this is the (:רשב"א (ג). But our 'תוס says clearly it doesn't help for a ממזר, only according to the חכמים does it help to fix the marriage. The ריטב"א himself argues on 'תוס and holds that the solution according to everybody only helps for everyone for the future.

C. 5) רשב"א - It helps according to everyone even for a ממזר.

ריטב"א - It never helps retroactively, only for the future.

'תוס - Doesn't help for ממזר, but according to the חכמים it can fix the marriage. Number 31

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(:תוס' ד"ה יטלנו (ה

I. 1) The רא''ש brings that בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם does not need to be said during the נתינה (handing over of the גט).

S. 2) 'תוס says, our גמרא is, משמע that it must be said during the נתינה since why else must you take back the גט and give it again in order to say בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם?

S. 3) Included in שעת נתינה (the time of handing over the גט) is תוך כדי דיבור (within the time of saying שלום עליכם רו''מ).

Q. 4) The ר''י isn't sure if included in שעת נתינה is also עסקינן באותה ענין (busy with גיטין).

פני יהושע - explains the ספק is, if the חכמים required the בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם to be exactly during the נתינה or in the general time. Number 32

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(.תוד"ה אפילו

S. 1) ר' אשי holds that the שליח doesn't need to see the גט being written, it's enough just to hear that it's being done properly (וכן הלכתא).

Q. 2) The משנה on (.כ"ג) says a סומא (blind) is פסול to bring a גט. The גמרא explains that since he can't say בפנו"נ in front of my "eyes". According to ר' אשי, he can still use his "ears" so why is he תוס')פסול)?

A.#1 3) Since it appears like he is saying a שקר, because he is saying בפנו"נ but he can't see!

(וצ''ע, since the שם) גמרא) says if he got blind on the way it's o.k., לכאורה it still looks like שקר)?

A#2 4) The רא''ש answers that after he hears that the גט was written לשמה, he must identify that this was the original גט, and a סומא (blind) can't do that.

A.#3 5) The כ"ג.) רשב"א) says only when the סופר is afraid that the שליח who is listening can pop in at any moment, then hearing is enough, but a blind person, he isn't afraid of.

A.#4 6) Another answer (also from the רשב"א) is that the rule is, if he can do something, then it doesn't always matter if he doesn't do it, but if he can't do it, then he is (.כל הראוי לבילה...יבמות ק"ד).

A.#5 7) The ריטב"א explains that hearing is enough to verify the כתיבה, but for the בשני נחתם) חתימה) he must be able to verify that he recognizes the signatures, and a blind person can't do that, so that's why he is פסול to be a שליח. (If the גט was already מקוים, then he would be כשר). Number 33

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(.גמרא (ו

S. 1) There is a מחלוקת between רב and שמואל weather בבל is like ארץ ישראל regarding רב ,גיטין says it is, and שמואל says its not.

"תוס' ד''ה "בבל

S. 2) 'תוס explains that the מחלוקת is regarding 2 מדינות in בבל, but in 1 מדינה in בבל, everyone agrees that its not needed. (Even though the בני ישיבות are busy being עוסק בתורה, but in 1 מדינה they still know what's flying) (the מאירי argues on this).

S. 3) The גמרא attempts to explain the מחלוקת that רב holds like

לשמה) רבה) and בבל knows about לשמה, and שמואל holds like

קיום) רבא), and its still not easy to find עידים to be מקיים, so in בבל too, the שליח does the קיום.

Q. 4) The גמרא says that it can't be since רבה agrees to רבא, and if רבא requires it in רבה ,בבל would agree?

C. 5) Rather, everyone agrees that you must be מקיים the חתימות, the מחלוקת in בבל is if you can rely on the בחורים going back and forth, רב holds you can, and שמואל says the בחורים aren't reliable, since they are busy learning.

Q. 6) The גמרא asks on רב from our משנה, that says from עכו and on (צפון) is חוץ לארץ and since בבל is north of עכו, its not ארץ ישראל?

A. 7) The משנה is not discussing בבל. Number 34

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(.תוס' ד"ה מכי (ו

S. 1) רש"י explains that בבל only changed after רב made many ישיבות there.

Q. 2) 'תוס asks if so what's the question of the גמרא on רב from our משנה (#six on previous note), our משנה was before רב made his ישיבות so its considered like חוץ לארץ, only later did the דין change?

A. 3) The ריב"א (in the תוס' הראש) answers that really there were ישיבות in בבל in the times of the תלמידי חכמים 1,000) משנה with יכניה), but they left with ר' חייא, and only returned with רב, so the גמרא is asking that just like in the משנה the ישיבות didn't change their status, so too with רב they shouldn't change? The גמרא answers (ריטב"א) that in the משנה too, בבל was like ארץ ישראל, but we didn't mention it, since we are only discussing the borders of ארץ ישראל.

Q. 4) We weren't happy with the of the ריב"א in רש"י, since רש"י says clearly that יכניה was in בבל and the תורה never left? Also the ריטב"א explains the answer of the גמרא that the משנה is only mentioning the borders, but רש"י in our משנה says we are discussing the whole world?

A. 5) The ר''ן answers that its true our משנה was before the דין changed in בבל, but the גמרא was asking, that just like עכו is close to ארץ ישראל there is a מחלוקת if we say לא תחלוק (we don't differentiate), so certainly in בבל which is far away the דין shouldn't change because of לא תחלוק, so how could רב change? The גמרא answers that since בבל was famous for its ישיבות, no one would confuse it with the rest of חוץ לארץ, and we don't say לא תחלוק!

A. 6) ר"ת explains that really the דין changed in בבל when יכניה came (1,000 ת"ח), but רב is the one who made the דין famous. So our משנה should have known that the דין changed already. ('תוס points out that we should not be גורס that רב said this הלכה, since it's funny to say that רב was talking about himself.)

A.#2 7) Some מפרשים say that רב doesn't refer to himself, rather רבנים and בעלי תורה, and therefore the דין changed before our משנה (and now we can be גורס that רב said this הלכה). Number 35

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(.גמרא (ו:ו

S. 1) There's a מחלוקת regarding the borders of ר' פפא ,בבל holds that the same borders that define בבל regarding יחוס, apply to what is considered בבל (that is like ארץ ישראל for גיטין), and ר' יוסף says that everyone agrees that the border of בבל ends by the second ערבה tree by the bridge.

S. 2) ר' חסדא holds that a גט that originates from ארדשיר (a place in בבל) and arrives in אקטיספון does not need בפני, but the opposite direction does require בפני.

Attempt 3) The גמרא tried explaining the difference is that in ארדשיר they know about לשמה but not in אקטיספון.

Shlug Up 4) This can't be, since רבה agrees to רבא so even if they know about לשמה, they still need בפני for קיום?

C. 5) Since the ארדשיר people come to the market place in אקטיספון, their signatures are recognizable there, (since the bills are left in the hands of the אקטיספון), but the ארדשיר people are so busy buying they don't pay attention to the signatures of the אקטיספון.

S. 6) There's a 3 way מחלוקת, (in בבל) when are we concerned that we won't be able to be מקים the רבה בר אבוה .גט holds even if the גט crosses over the street, we need בפני.

ר' ששת holds even from one complex to another.

רבא holds even in the same complex we need בפני.

Q. 7) The גמרא asks on רבא, what are we concerned about?

A. 8) Answers the גמרא, that the בני מחוזא are always on the move.

E. 9) רש"י explains that the מחלוקת is dependent on how often the neighbors are interacting with each other, if they can recognize the signatures.

'תוס explains that they definitely recognize it, but the מחלוקת is if the neighbors will sense when the husband is available to verify the signatures before he leaves again.

S. 10) רבינו תם paskens based on our גמרא that all places require בפני, since nowadays all homes are private and one can never know when the husband will be there.

The רמב'ם seems to argue, that only from 2 separate towns require בפני. Number 36

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(:גמרא (ז

S. 1) It seems from our משנה that עכו is located at the northern border of ארץ ישראל.

Q. 2) The תוספתא says that if you walk from עכו to כזיב, the right side of the road is חוץ לארץ (therefore it's טמא and no מעשר or שמיטה), but to the left of the road is ארץ ישראל. So we see that ארץ ישראל extends past עכו all the way to כזיב?

A. 3) אביי answers that the border ends by עכו but a small strip of ארץ ישראל goes along the left side of the road to כזיב.

Q. 4) The גמרא asks why are we discussing a small path?

רש"י explains that it's so insignificant it doesn't need a discussion.

'תוס isn't happy with רש"י, since we need to know the הלכה of what's considered ארץ ישראל? Therefore רבינו שמואל explains the question of the גמרא, why are we using the road as a marker for directions?

A. 5) The גמרא answers that we find a פסוק that uses a small path as a marker.

'תוס asks on רש"י, that the גמרא didn't answer the question according to רש"י, since the פסוק only mentions the road that it's insignificant in order to give directions where to go, but by עכו, we aren't giving directions, just הלכות?

S. 6) 'תוס points out that although the תוספתא says to the right is חוץ לארץ and to the left is ארץ ישראל, but if the road turns, than it's possible for both the right and left to be either חוץ לארץ or ארץ ישראל. Number 37

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(.גמרא (ז: - ח

S. 1) The משנה says that a גט that was written on a boat (in the waters of ארץ ישראל) is like it was written in ארץ ישראל. The ברייתא on the other hand says it's like חוץ לארץ and he must say בפני.

S. 2) ר' ירמיה explains that this is the same מחלוקת as the one between the רבנן and ר' יהודה regarding מעשר and שמיטה, if growing on a boat is like your growing it in ארץ ישראל.

S. 3) אביי explains that both can be according to ר' יהודה, it just depends if the bottom of the boat is touching the ground.

S. 4) ר' זירא says that a flowerpot (with a hole) that's on on a stand (not touching the ground) is the same מחלוקת as a boat.

Arg. 5) ר' זירא says that it's not the same מחלוקת, since ר' יהודה who says that a boat isn't considered in ארץ ישראל, because it's not settled in one place, (moves with the waves), but a flowerpot is set in one place, it's ארץ ישראל. Alternatively (אי נמי), even the רבנן who say a boat is in ארץ ישראל that's because the water is resting on the land, but a pot that has AIR separating it from the land may be it isn't considered on the land.

S. 6) 'תוס say's the alternative explanation is just to push off ר' זירא, but the אמת is that air doesn't separate the growth from the land

S. 7) The ברייתא notes that the pot has a hole. Since a pot that doesn't get any nutrients, won't be חייב in רש''י .מעשר holds a earthenware pot gets nutrients even without a hole. Only a wooden pot needs to be perforated. 'תוס holds the opposite.

NOTE 38 (pr)

Credits

מגיד שיעור----------------------הרב לויתן

Creator and writer-----Dovid Shmuel Blau

Editor and writer--------------Yitzchok Bass

Editor #2------------------Cheskey Friedman

Editor #3 ---------------Meir Shalom Radich

Proofreader -------Tzvi Yaakov Sommerfeld

And class mates:

Binyomin Lane,

Sruly Yelen,

Shaya Applegrad,

Nosson Jampolsky,

Peretz Nosson Kagan.

Notes On מסכת גיטין

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